I absolutely love the Korean version of Hanadan. I would just like to share some of my thoughts on the portrayal Goo Joon Pyo (which I ADORE, BTW) vs. the portrayal of Domyouji in the JDrama. Because while the characters are very similar, I've noticed some marked differences.For one thing, Joon Pyo strikes me as much more, erm, sexual being than the JDrama's Domyouji. He comes off as much more physical and flirtatious. No more promiscuous than his Japanese counterpart, but definitely more aware of sex and his own sex appeal. Domyouji just seemed completely insulated against sexuality for the most part, even when it came to Makino. I think a good example of this difference was in the different ways Joon Pyo and Domyouji reacted when they found out their henchman had planned to rape Jan Di/Makino. In the case of Joon Pyo, he clearly understood the full implications of their plot, and got very, very angry with them. Domyouji, on the other hand, seemed much more dismissive of it--like he didn't quite understand the full implications.Then again, I may be misremembering, I'd be very interested to hear the impressions that others have gotten. What differences, in general, have you noticed between Joon Pyo and Domyouji so far? Do you like them? Do you dislike them?
i love matsujun and was excited he got cast as doumyouji, but i love lee min ho's jun pyo version better.jdrama tsukasa has more intimidating looks than jun pyo, and jun pyo's two predecessors did good jobs, but his height, his overall looks and his expressions are what i envisioned manga tsukasa brought to life to be. i think jun pyo reacted that way as opposed to tsukasa's dismissal because gbn's jun pyo has accelerated feelings, even from early episodes. the script writers sort of venture into out of character territory once in a while, but i'm still okay with it because the essence of the manga is present. i still like inoue mao's tsukushi more than goo hye sun's jan di, though. tsukushi retained that tough female persona in the manga and brought it to life perfectly. jan di... is like a caricature. gah! her exaggerated bad manners in eating really bother me. makino isn't like that. and it's like jan di is kind of... ugh i hate to say it... dumb.makino isn't stupid. she's poor and she studies hard. she's aiming for law school. while jan di... is a swimmer. kind of made me sad that they took that away from the character. and jan di's acting is over the top sometimes, i really prefer tsukushi's acting better. i also still like rui better than ji hoo, kind of can't choose between soujirou and yi jeong, love gaeul, and i'm okay with woo bin compared to akira... overall, i think i'm loving gbn more than hyd each episode♥
I never got the impression that Jan Di is actually stupid--just that she THINKS she is (and Jun Pyo is more than happy to agree). I think I love Jan Di and Makino about equally-- I find the OTT acting endearing. But we all have different preferences when it comes to these things, so I respect your opinion. I think I may also prefer GBN. I find that it has a much more serious tone than HYD, which again is a stylistic preference of mine. Like the bullying scene in episode four, which made me sooo sad.
In my opinion, gbn and meteor garden are very similar in their portrayal of the characters. I think some of the more physical/sexual stuff is certainly different than hyd, and I think gbn is following more in the meteor garden mold for that. For example, jun pyo, like his meteor garden counterpart, tries to kiss jan di a lot more, and have more physical contact with her more than in hyd. In meteor garden, he actually does force a kiss on her early on, and in gbn it's that he just tries to kiss her. Tsukasa in hyd always seems to respect makino's personal space, which could also be a japanese thing in general, whereas jun pyo's always trying to invade it. Even though jun pyo says jan di has a horrible body, you don't really believe him, from the way he looks at her.Also, let's be honest, jun pyo is more manly looking than mastujun (as much as I like matsujun's looks). Jun pyo = hot, matsujun = cute...maybe even metrosexual looking with his clothes sometimes (lol).
Hmm...I think you may be right about that cultural difference playing into how Jun pyo is played. I have to say, in terms of sheer physical attractiveness, Jun pyo is eye-meltingly gorgeous (for me, probably because I like tall guys.) Matsujun is a GREAT actor, but his looks don't really appeal to me.
I haven't seen the K-drama version yet, but I think for MatsuJun's Domyouji (other than the fact that he was, you know, kind of ridiculously dumb XP) it was all about asserting influence, and he had just learned one way to do it and stuck to it. I mean, everyone was pretty intimidated without him using his sexuality in the least... @_@Though there was his whole SEXYTIMEohshitlooksomeone'shere moment in the movie XP
everyone was pretty intimidated without him using his sexuality in the least...that's so true!Jun's Tsukasa was really powerful and I was scared by him in the first episodes... after a couple of them, I fell in love with him (Jun bait ♥ )
Before I write anything I need to note just one thing: I adore Jun, and really think he is one of the most talented guys I have ever seen.BUT!Jun was the sortest in the F4 team, and that didn't really made him a leader... not to say the Doumyouji character of the jdrama... how he stuttered and was ranting all the time, how he celebrated himself for everything~ but he was really great with the childlike-and mischievous looks. ^^ All in all, I couldn't really accept him as Doumyouji Tsukasa, and just tought it's another romance story with the same title as the great HyD manga. That's all.About Lee Min Ho... I didn't know about him before the drama, but since I'm watching it, I really adore his body. It's really like Tsukasa is standing there in 3d. Have you seen the sword-scene in part 4? *drools* My eyes were falling out of my head!!!Before I forget, just a question: Am I the only one who thinks that Lee Min Ho (the eyes, and brows the most) looks a bit like Kimura Takuya? The first few scenes with him, I couldn't think of anything else, since I don't like that guy much. >.<Lee Min Ho is perfect for Tsukasa, I like how his hair is made, and even though the stylist should have a better taste, everything looks 1A on him. His smile is really awesome, and those eyes... He is really into the role of Tsukasa, and while in the script he changes moods quite quick, it's all part of Doumyouji's personality.With Jun... well, don't know if you heard about it, but by the first season of the jdrama he told in his radio-show that he doesn't really like the character he needs to play, and the hair. And now I ask you: would someone, who says that could play the confident Doumyouji Tsukasa, like he is the best that can happen to this world? I don't think so.For the end I would say it's not really fair of me to rant like this, since neather the script, nor the hair-style and the clothes are faults of the actors... so I arrived at today's truth: the one with the better body wins.
Oh god that SCENE. *takes a cold shower*
I haven't actually took the time out and watched the Korean version, as of it. As for one of your points (or at least I think it is, maybe I misinterpreted it) that Domyouji was the one who sent out these 'henchmen' of his, to actually deal with Makino in whichever they wanted, to get her to leave Eitoku.So it's a difference in that, because he was the one to send them out...and in the manga he wasn't angry by it at all. So that is a difference; and if we're talking about sexual appeal, there was a point in the movie where Domyouji says that he and Makino should sleep together.
The sexuality (not the sexual appeal per se, because that's more subjective) I'm talking about is a general one. Domyouji seems to keep his distance from Makino, while Jun pyo likes to hug and kiss her a lot. Wanting to sleep with her in the movie showed that he had ~manly desires~, but he's still, overall, much less sexually aggressive than Jun pyo.I have to say, Jun pyo's reaction to the rape thing really made me respect his character. It was always something that bugged me in the back of my head while watching HYD: What if they actually HAD raped her, and Domyouji had still fallen in love with her. Can you imagine how traumatic that would have been for Makino? ;_; Just thinking about it is making me feel all icky inside.
You have to think of where both versions are set. In Japan there isn't a lot of physical affection being shown or practiced in public...while (the little I know of Korea) it is a bit more acceptable. =/As for the argument (or scenario) if Tsukasa still fell in love with Tsukasa after being raped...you have to think that she would have not let Tsukasa anywhere near her because of what he had done. So the extent of his feelings wouldn't have been conveyed as they inevitably were.
There are definitely marked differences between Jun Pyo and Matsumoto's Tsukasa. The most obvious is the physical aspect - where Jun Pyo is tall, imposing and manly Tsukasa is short and skinny. This difference is probably also the reason why Jun Pyo does not need to be overly aggressive and violent in order to convey his character's coldness. On the other hand, Matsumoto had to compensate his physique with a lot of physical violence e.g. going out and punching gaijins at night lol.In terms of personality, while Jun Pyo is a bit thick in the head, he's not portrayed as being outrageously dumb like Matsumoto's Tsukasa. Jun Pyo comes off as being cold and harsh. Matsumoto's Tsukasa seems to be a bit more childish and is markedly more violent and hot-headed. In this regard, I prefer Jun Pyo as he does have more redeeming qualities. I never liked how Matsumoto's version would slap or push down women - violence against women in any situation is a no-no for me.And a note about Jandi - I feel like I have to defend her to an extent lol. The Korean Tsukushi, to me, is actually not that removed from the manga character. The manga Tsukushi was quite loud and also prone to stupid gaffes. I loved that in the J-Hanadan Tsukushi had a quiet strength to her, and that she had a goal of going to law school, but this wasn't in the manga. That's why I don't think Jandi comes off as being dumb - she might not have the best academic brains but she does have common sense. And I don't see what's so bad about being a swimmer. It doesn't make Jandi any less determined than her Jp counterpart. Anyway, I'm enjoyig Jandi - her actress Gu Hye Sun truly excels in the emotional and serious scenes, but I agree she needs to tone down her acting in the comedic bits.
You've summed up my exact thoughts regarding Jun Pyo! He sometimes is a bit thick, but he seems much more aware of the world around him. His character also, like you said, has more redeeming qualities. I think my favourite change is that he isn't over-the-top dumb like Domyouji. Because he seems like a much more realistic candidate for heir to a multinational corporation.I LOVE JAN DI. And Makino, but for different reasons. Jan di doesn't strike me as stupid AT ALL. In fact, the vibe I got going from her is that she has very low self-esteem. (In this regard, her mother seems to be quite destructive. Her intentions are good, but she keeps telling Jan Di how ugly she is. NOT COOL.) Jan Di is certainly less academically driven than her counterpart--and that may, in many Asian cultures, be seen as a sign of stupidity. But to me she seems genuinely insightful, and quite bright. I don't even find her overacting to be unrealistic--it all just seems adorable to me. So yeah, I <3 Jan Di. She and Jun Pyo make me smile.
I agree with everything you said!I think an example of what you said about how Jun Pyo is more aware of the world around him and his position comes out of Episode 4 where he and Jandi are gazing at the stars. Jandi had told him that the coffee was 30,000 won ($30), but Jun Pyo said that it was in fact $36.00 because you had to factor in the goods tax and service fees. So in the K-version you can see that Jun Pyo has an innate sense of business acumen thanks to his upbringing, a trait which is more realistic and consistent with his position as a chaebol heir.So yeah, while Jun Pyo comes off as being thick-headed where people and relationship skills are concerned, he by no means has an IQ of 80.
Sorry to butt in, but the manga version of Domyouji did, in fact, hit and/or shove women. He actually slapped Makino.
I've forgotten since I haven't read the manga in a long time, but if that's the case this is one bit of the manga I'm glad they left out. I always hated that aspect of Domyouji so I'm quite glad they toned down that aspect in the K-version.
More than one...even in the anime...I happen to like Matsu Jun's portrayel of Tsukasa (because he didnt do half the things he did in the manga) but still...he loves deeply, he can be hurt deeply and lose it!! Yeah, I also like the K Domyouji too lol the K Makino--not too sure of though
In my opinion , Jun Pyo is better as Tsukasa. Tsukasa is not supposed to be pretty but handsome. Matsu Jun has a pretty face and that doesn't suit the character that much. Hyd showed a spoiled-violent-childish-stupid tsukasa. BoF shows a spoiled-agressive-childish-a little bit less stupid Tsukasa, I read the manga a long time ago and I don't remember how violent Tsukasa was so if someone could refresh memory I'd appreciate it.Anywho , maybe I'm Jun pyo's team but not Ji Hoo's team. I like him as a Rui but certainly Oguri Shun was PERFECT for that Character , I don't know , was like if he was born to be Hanazawa Rui. For Akira and Soujiro , I like both versions (I won't say anything about meteor garden since I didn't feel like watching it). BoF Soujiro is more cute, he is not supposed to be cute but a woman killer with a strong sex appeal but is interesting how they changed that for a guy with a cute face XD , he is soooooo adorable , he melts me every time the camera is capturing his face. About Akira , he is the same for me in both versions , there's nothing new in Akira/Soujiro's Chemistry as good friends, I guess are almost the same (as I see things)...About Jan di , I juuuust love her expressions , she is so much fun and the truth about her manners I don't know , she looks like a young Sam Soon (from my lovely kim sam soon drama) so that's why I love her that much since Sam Soon is my favorite Drama Character evah. And maybe I'm crazy , It's just me or Korean people is always talking with their mouths full with food? XD
I think I agree with pretty much all you've said. I haven't read the manga, so I don't really care about how true it is to the original--but I do have preferences over the characters themselves. (While I do think that Ji Hoo is more attractive than Rui, Rui was the character that I preferred.)I liked Akira and Soujiro just fine, but they never really spoke to me as characters (although Soujiro was the hottest male in the cast IMO). The same goes for the Korean versions.
In the anime Tsukasa hit a guy so much, that he almost died. That's why Junpei takes revenge on him - since that was his brother. How I see it by the time Tsukushi meets him he is just playing around, and letting others do the bullying. There is just one time where he really gets violent again, hitting a guy till he bleeds - and then he almost rapes Makino. So I guess that's agressive enough.And with the Akira/Soujiro... I think they choosed them, since together they already look like brothers. They don't need to play out a scene to form the characters, you just see them, and the first reaction is: 'oh, they get along well'.
My chart goes something like this:Jan Di > TsukushiJun Pyo > TsukasaJi Hoo < RuiYi Jeong = SoujiroWoo Bin = AkiraI love them both. But there's something about Jan Di and Jun Pyo that makes me squee a little inside. I think my only complaint is that the Japanese version put a lot more emphasis on Tsukushi's work. And I miss the boss-lady character (whose name escapes me at the moment). She was so awesome.
You mean Tsukushi's boss OKAMI??? I loved her!!! She was so crazy and a breath of fresh air sometimes '3' But I think I read she was never very prominent in the manga so that's why BOF didn't incl her, it would seem too much like copying jHYD. What do you mean one of your complaints is jHYD putting too much emphasis on Tsukushi's work? like the time she had to work on construction? Why is it bad? I just thought it showed how grounded and responsible she was..I liked the wholesome feeling it gave her character.
No, no-- I meant that one of the weaknesses of the KDrama is that it DOESN'T put enough emphasis on her work. Sorry for the confusion. I completely agree with you. :)
I'm kind of biased towards Domyoji, since that's kind of what got me hooked in the first place. I do notice that there are a lot fewer kiss/ sexual tension scenes in the j-drama version. I haven't actually read the original manga, so I don't know how true that is to the story. I know that the Domyoji character does almost-force himself on Makino (in the anime at least) but that never happens in the j-drama. However, I have no problem with that at all because I do not like that aspect of Domyoji's character- I feel like it puts him over into irretrievable jerk territory.At the same time, even without the touchy-feely stuff, I still really felt the attraction between them in the j-drama, which is why I love their portrayals so much. I tend to kind of ignore the whole raping thing- it's a part of the story that I don't think really fits, and again- irretrievable jerk territory. Also, the henchmen might not have been specific with Domyoji as to what they were actually doing at the time they were interrupted- he might have thought they were just pretending in order to scare her or something. Don't get me wrong, I do like Goo Joon Pyo, but I feel like Domyoji's insulation might be the fault of the writers rather than the character or Matsumoto's portrayal- as in they may have been a little too heavy-handed with the scene-cutting in the Japanese version- but I like how they condensed it. I think they decided to make him more innocent in the j-version because to back up the sexual tension stuff they would need more scenes, which they really didn't have time for because the episodes are more plot-heavy. With 24 episodes, the Korean version has more time to spend on each scene. In conclusion- I think I will always love the Japanese version, and consequently Domyoji, more (partially because the music is way better- there's too much cheesy keyboard stuff in the Korean one), but I think that the Korean version is using its extra time really well to put all those scenes in and be consistent with it.
Hmm...DOMYOUJI/Jun PyoWell for most parts I agree with what people say about physical features of Jun Pyo VS Tsukasa: MatsuJun is too short (-_-;;) while Lee Min Ho has probably the closest thing you can get to a real live Domyouji with that awesome bod ;D...no seriously, it's that awesome. BUT...in my opinion, MatsuJun has seriously grasped the dumbness/simpleness of Tsukasa to the point that it's borderline ridiculous. Tsukasa in the manga is definitely a pure, childlike idiot (like...seriously dumb to the point where you're like 'why do I like such an idiot?!') whose selfish desires comes before anything which is how MatsuJun portrays Domyouji in the Jdrama. The major negatives in my opinion comes from his physical appearance which doesn't look like the 6'1/6'2 Tall, lean muscled Domyouji Tsukasa. Jun Pyo on the other hand has the dumbness down to a certain point, but he seems almost too mature to be Tsukasa. He's dumb, but not as clueless dumb as Tsukasa is in the manga. But, this different version is definitely not bad at all. I actually enjoy watching him try to be nice to Jan Di (aww to the handkerchief scene during gym period!!!) XD but still act "almighty". The sexiness part is not so much Tsukasa in the manga or the JDrama, but I think it adds a new element and dimension to the Tsukasa "character" that fits his image...(though at times I wish he was more childish...^^;;...like the BEE SCENE!!! lol). I think his later character development needs to be more contradicting to his initial image of "badass" and more childlike, but confident and straight forward.All in all...i love DOMYOUJI TSUKASA'S character no matter what lolMAKINO/Jan DiSorry, but MAKINO ALL THE WAY. Inoue Mao fits the part physically and character wise in my opinion. She was strong and hard working most of the time, but still showed Makino's weakness and her insecurity about being with Domyouji. The only thing I can say needed improvement in the JDrama with her is how she begins to develop feelings for Domyouji. They kinda skipped the build up of her feelings for him and it made me sad :(...but on the other hand I loved this version of Makino the best.Jan Di...she kinda grew on me but in a more annoying way. Don't get me wrong, I think she's good at portraying the strength, but she has a really animated face and looks too old to be a high school student. Her screams also hurt my ears sometimes -__-;; But I gotta say, her jump kick was awesome XDRUI/Ji HooOguri Shun IS Hanazawa Rui. I can't begin to describe the little details as to how he is Rui. No doubt, that he has created the Rui standard in his performance in HYD. He's selfish in a very nonchalant manner and always looks bored/sleepy/in his own world. Oguri's eyes also have that glimmer which makes you know that he's aware, but just doesn't really care, like how Rui's attitude usually is in the manga. Blah Blah Blah...he's "perfect"...body, height, face, attitude...everything.Hyun Joong has really "dead" looking eyes in certain scenes where as Rui usually has a faraway/dreamy look on his face. He seems really mature and angry too, which doesn't fit with Rui's Image. His looks definitely is like how Rui is suppose to look like, but I think that he's short compared to Jun Pyo. He's suppose to be almost the same height as Jun Pyo, but I guess we can't have everything we want since Oguri is like 6'2 XD I think that Hyun Joong also "tries" to imitate a version of Oguri Shun's Rui but he should try making it his own like how Min Ho portrays his version of Tsukasa.
I agree with EVERYTHING you said. You took the words out of my mouth. ^^
haha :) I'm happy to know that some people have the same opinion as me! Yay! v(^0^)v
ok I remember some differences between Domyouji and Jun Pyo now. In the beginning Domyouji came off a lot more sinister, cos like you mentioned, when he found out that the three students tried to rape Makino, he DIDN'T get all righteously indignant like Jun Pyo did. Instead, he got pissed off because Rui interfered and Makino still wasn't chased off, and I feel that not only was it possible he DIDN'T get how WRONG it was that she was nearly raped, but moreso that he didn't care, cos all he wanted to do was to "win" the game, trump her, prove his superiority, yada. So it came off as a surprise to me when Jun Pyo thought they went too far. woo~Then, when Jan Di/Makino get kidnapped and dressed up, and Jun Pyo asks her if she likes what she sees, he sounded already genuinely attracted to her, fully aware of it, and with no malice in his tone. But in the same scene w/ Domyouji, he's practically insulting her. "You like it, don't you? I know you do! You can't believe that someone like you could look like that! Admit it, this is what you want. All girls are just the same!" He may already feel an attraction, but he's (relatively) slow to warm to it 100% and he's still feeling hostile towards her, esp when he's trying to prove that she's nothing special. She really shook him when she pulled the guts to knock him down, and he always getting his way and his pride damaged, he tries to prove she is riddled with weaknesses, for love of what money can buy and for vanity. I don't think he even "extends the gracious offer" of her being his girlfriend..but maybe I just don't rmb it. ;; It's just one attack after another. Lolll man it was soo weird that Domyouji/Jun Pyo are reminded of their SISTER...on their feeling's turning point towards Makino. I mean, some random guys he must've fought in the past MUST have said something similar. "So you think just cos you have money...! (PUNCH)" but he never put them in a pretty dress XP and maybe Jun Pyo's father will come into play this time.. gosh no explanation of him at all in jHYD. So far, Jun Pyo comes off as much more "normal" than Domyouji. The horniness... XP ...the "rape is WRONG IDIOTS" stance. He's less twisted, but so far, I think Domyouji had the more complex personality of the two. People keep mentioning how Domyouji played up the dumbassedness of his chara, but.. Jun Pyo's BEE SCENE?? @_@ I think that comes pretty close. xDahh I feel myself getting sucked into HYD all over again!
I haven't seen the K version yet, but I'm not sure if I want to. I think the J Drama couldn't be anymore perfect or true to the original. I think there are many shots of Matsu Jun where he looks like he came right out of the manga. Sure, he's more pretty than manly, but that is the trend in Japan, lol.
First of all, I read the manga before watching Hanadan, Meteor Garden and so on.It seems like everyone is comparing Hanadan to BBF, something that I wouldn't like to do until BBF finishes, but with 4 episodes already out, I got some impressions about the korean version.Jan Di: even if I haven't seen the jdrama version, I wouldn't like her. Manga's Tsukushi is not so... idiot like that. As far as I know, and as some of people already mentioned here, Tsukushi has a strong personality and she fights for what she wants. And what I see in Jan Di is someone who is just lost at that school, aparently with no reason to live, not to mention her expressions are too overdone - does she need to act like a 10 year-old girl? It's so irritating. To me, the actress is portraying another character which is not Makino Tsukushi.Jun Pyo: OK, he got the looks. He's tall, handsome, manly. Phisycally, he's a perfect Doumyouji, just the way that I would like to see in jdrama version. But as for acting, I guess Matsumoto's portrayal is closer to the real Doumyouji. I was expecting for a more childish and violent Jun Pyo. Maybe it's director's fault, but I still don't see Jun Pyo as the real Doumyouji. I remember when I first saw Matsumoto, I thought: "OMG, who is this ugly and short guy? This is NOT Doumyouji!", but later (at ep.03), I just had to recognize his acting overcame his looks, doing a perfect Doumyouji. And that's what matters to me: the acting.As for the rest of the cast, Yi Jeong (Soujiro) is better. Wayyyy better. Classy and handsome, with a killer look. And I love his acting. No one could be a better Soujiro than him, in my opinion.I still don't know about Hanazawa Rui/Ji Hoo though. I think both are great. As for Woo Bin... I guess I prefer Akira over him. He really had that gentle side of Akira, I guess Abe Tsuyoshi did him very well. What annoys me is the soundtrack. They bring no emotion to the scenes. The good point that I'm loving on this version is they're closer to the manga plot. Many scenes that I would like to see in a live action, they're already doing. That's great.
I haven't seen the Korean version yet and am not quite sure yet if I want to see it, but I agree with you about Jun as Domyouji.Like you, before everything related to my current Johnny's Entertainment fandom, I was just a simple manga lover for the reason that I loved to read stories. Then, one of my classmates introduced me to HanaDan manga and I got so hooked.After watching it, I watched the Jdrama, and like you thought Jun Matsumoto was the ugliest person I've ever seen, being so used to Western beauty and whatnot. Also, Dom was my favorite character in the manga and because MatsuJun didn't exactly look like how I had imagined him to be, I admit that I was hesitant to continue watching the series. But I did anyway.Soon, I began to find myself being drawn to him and charmed by his acting. He made me fall in love with Dom all over again. He totally captured the psychotic nature of Domyouji-- mad mood swings, aggressiveness, violence, hitting girls like it was nothing, etc. like the manga. But like the manga, he was childlike in his approach to certain things, yet wise and earnest somehow. THE DOMYOUJI IN THE MANGA. :DTrue, he wasn't as horny straight forward with Makino physically as how he was in the manga, but let us remember that usually what is drawn in manga is very much toned down for TV and cinema. Kids were also audience to HYD after all.